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Shaggy Snodgrass's avatar

Hi. American musician here.

Most Americans love the stuffing out of Australians and Australian artists, when clearly identified as such (or sometimes even not, as evidenced by the influx of male "bro-country" singers and American football players in the specific position of "punter"). This is from a combination of good niche-fitting and a certain air of "exoticism" that Australians carry when over here, that Americans remain enthralled by.

Platforms like TikTok homogenize, and often decontextualize; and presenting culture (like music) devoid of context (like origin) just doesn't work.

Triple-J needs to "triple down" on the "Australian-ness" of its playlists and offerings; become the beacon of "Brand Australia" that the big worldwide labels look to. Whether that's by Canadian-style regulated "Can-Con" quotas or more informal ones, whatever works politically; but find the artists who light up the room and Send Them Up Through America.

Hook them into the specific infrastructures of their genres and niches, yes, but Send Them here.

Many will do well, if they know how to lean into their Oz-ness enough to distinguish themselves from the pack. Those that do, can bring that success as credibility to use back home.

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Scott Burke's avatar

Awesome read, I really enjoyed the perspective. It’s such a thought-provoking subject and something I’ve been spending quite a bit of time on trying to understand, especially from a psychological point of view.

If you take localisation out of the equation (talking about the frequency of Australian based artists achieving global success), my bet is that the surge in platforms has led to a behavioural shift in how people encounter and feel about music. It's a different value proposition to what it was back pre-platforms. You hear a song, it makes you feel a certain way, you don’t care if it’s popular or not, but you save it because it means something to you. You’re choosing to invest into a song and an artist because of the way they make you feel, the product is the feeling. The country or location really doesn’t mean anything.

There was a super interesting quote from Gustav Söderström on a product podcast I enjoy: 

“The internet started with curation, often user curation. So you took something, books or music, you digitise it and put it online and you ask people to curate it. That was Facebook, Spotify and so forth. After a while the world switched from curation to recommendation, where instead of people doing that work, you had algorithms. That was a big change that required us and others to actually rethink the entire user experience and sometimes the business model as well. And I think what we’re entering now is we’re going from your curation, to recommendation, to generation”.


It’s interesting in the context of the article in that traditionally Triple J (and friends) would curate music that I had a high chance of enjoying. Since I valued the source, I perceived the music to be more enjoyable or “worth” more to me. It was exclusive, it held meaning outside of the music itself (social ties, or being informed), and because I had it, it was part of my collection. It felt personal. This unconscious bias was the differentiator in my view.

That might have been the 2010s. Since then the job that radio serves for me is a stop gap between travelling, being in an environment where I have to listen to it, and actually being able to listen to the music I care about. If I am looking to find something new, it’s an explicit choice, genre driven, hyper personalised, within proximity to an artist I already know (think Matisse and Sadko to Third Party). We collect songs that are given to us based on the songs we’ve saved in the past because it’s the product of probability. I trust my listening history and past behaviour to know more about my taste and what I want to hear vs. a random presenter on the radio.

When you look at the initial quote from Gustav, the curation > recommendation > generation is just full circle. We’re going back to having access to track lists that are made for us, except we’ve removed the human curation aspect, and recommendation has become generation for an audience of me. It’s personal.

What platforms are doing, when done well, is creating the perfect execution of the behavioural model from Dr. BJ Fogg. A combination of a motivation (do I like the music), an ability (can I become a fan or connect at some level) and a prompt (the platforms provide this, i.e. saving or liking). Traditional radio offers none of this, yet there’s significant opportunity to identify what the latent demand is for those who do listen to radio and invest in more in what does deliver real value to listeners.


Apologies for the manuscript.

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